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		<title>By: Rohit</title>
		<link>http://zackbarnett.com/2009/04/25/seattle-what-detroit-might-have-been/#comment-69</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic article, Zack. As a Seattleite who&#039;s business often takes him to Detroit, your post gave me lots to reflect on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article, Zack. As a Seattleite who&#8217;s business often takes him to Detroit, your post gave me lots to reflect on.</p>
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		<title>By: zackbarnett</title>
		<link>http://zackbarnett.com/2009/04/25/seattle-what-detroit-might-have-been/#comment-60</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody&#039;s who&#039;s been stuck in traffic in Seattle can testify that Seattle&#039;s mass transit is hardly that of Portland, or even, for its size, Dear Old Eugene, Oregon. I&#039;m mostly trying to say that the Big Three and Detroit should have morphed from automakers into transportation giants, pioneering mass transit systems all over the country, building the trains, laying the rails, and, dare I say, paving the way into an energy efficient future. If they had, maybe Seattle&#039;s mass transit might actually be all its cracked up to be, and we might not be bailing out GM and Chrysler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody&#8217;s who&#8217;s been stuck in traffic in Seattle can testify that Seattle&#8217;s mass transit is hardly that of Portland, or even, for its size, Dear Old Eugene, Oregon. I&#8217;m mostly trying to say that the Big Three and Detroit should have morphed from automakers into transportation giants, pioneering mass transit systems all over the country, building the trains, laying the rails, and, dare I say, paving the way into an energy efficient future. If they had, maybe Seattle&#8217;s mass transit might actually be all its cracked up to be, and we might not be bailing out GM and Chrysler.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Ragan-Fore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Ragan-Fore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, good post. I have been thinking about this topic,so thanks for writing. I will definitely be coming back to your blog.

Okay, just kidding.

I can;t speak to Detroit, but as a transplanted Seattleite who still pines for Ballard and Broadview (shh, don&#039;t tell the folks at my day job), I do have to say that Seattle&#039;s mass transit system ain&#039;t all its cracked up to be.  The monorail was unveiled to great hoopla at the &#039;62 World&#039;s Fair... and to this day still only travels the same piddling course of something like 1.4 miles, or somesuch, its expansion repeatedly trumped by shortsighted voters.

On the other hand, Seattle has made a concerted effort to apply aesthetics to its urban development.  When something historic is in danger of being bulldozed, there is at least a discussion (read: outcry), which is more than I can say for my current locale.  

And above all, Seattle doesn&#039;t take itself too seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, good post. I have been thinking about this topic,so thanks for writing. I will definitely be coming back to your blog.</p>
<p>Okay, just kidding.</p>
<p>I can;t speak to Detroit, but as a transplanted Seattleite who still pines for Ballard and Broadview (shh, don&#8217;t tell the folks at my day job), I do have to say that Seattle&#8217;s mass transit system ain&#8217;t all its cracked up to be.  The monorail was unveiled to great hoopla at the &#8217;62 World&#8217;s Fair&#8230; and to this day still only travels the same piddling course of something like 1.4 miles, or somesuch, its expansion repeatedly trumped by shortsighted voters.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Seattle has made a concerted effort to apply aesthetics to its urban development.  When something historic is in danger of being bulldozed, there is at least a discussion (read: outcry), which is more than I can say for my current locale.  </p>
<p>And above all, Seattle doesn&#8217;t take itself too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh_Really</title>
		<link>http://zackbarnett.com/2009/04/25/seattle-what-detroit-might-have-been/#comment-56</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Striking hard at Detroit alone again... stooping so low as ripping on the loser Lions.  I notice you are a &quot;half empty&quot; person not elevating the regular Detroit NHL or NBA champions.

Let&#039;s follow your all too limited logic and pull back on the loans to GM and Chyrsler.  We&#039;ll also extend that logic to all industries.  Where do a majortiy of American&#039;s bank?  With a TARP recipient.  Gov&#039;t gaurenteed loans to GM and Chrylser totaled about as much TARP as Wells Fargo alone (least needy) took, let alone the total 700 billion distributed in the fall and additional monies rolling out this year to most remaining national banks.  

Let&#039;s pull back on all that money too and dismiss American finance as not having the ability or innovation to survive on it&#039;s own and quit ripping on just Detroit and the domestic automakers.  It&#039;s a national inadequacy.  At least Detroit made nearly a century long run at utilizing American resources to build their vehicles, supporting the defense of this country time &amp; again and strongly assisting in positioning the US as a global super power that has allowed you this free speach.

You&#039;ll be re-examining your quick to dismiss sound bite attitude in a few years global citizen; sipping your Chinese Tea wearing your Asian made (not Oregon made) Nikes, driving your Toyota and sleeping on your money.  

Let&#039;s just cut to this, if more American&#039;s had just a teaspon more national pride like our parents, grandparents (domestic or immigrant) had, this country would position for a much quicker turn around.

If Beaverton Nike didn&#039;t sell out 25 years ago, no doubt Oregon County&#039;s unemployment wouldn&#039;t be 15%!  Is that the model Detroit should&#039;ve innovated???  What a laugh.

Nike currently enjoys a 47% market share of the domestic footwear industry, with sales of $3.77 billion. Nike has been manufacturing throughout the Asian region for over twenty-five years, and there are over 500,000 people today directly engaged in the production of their products. They utilize an outsourcing strategy, using only subcontractors throughout the globe. The majority of their output today is produced in factories in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Striking hard at Detroit alone again&#8230; stooping so low as ripping on the loser Lions.  I notice you are a &#8220;half empty&#8221; person not elevating the regular Detroit NHL or NBA champions.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s follow your all too limited logic and pull back on the loans to GM and Chyrsler.  We&#8217;ll also extend that logic to all industries.  Where do a majortiy of American&#8217;s bank?  With a TARP recipient.  Gov&#8217;t gaurenteed loans to GM and Chrylser totaled about as much TARP as Wells Fargo alone (least needy) took, let alone the total 700 billion distributed in the fall and additional monies rolling out this year to most remaining national banks.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s pull back on all that money too and dismiss American finance as not having the ability or innovation to survive on it&#8217;s own and quit ripping on just Detroit and the domestic automakers.  It&#8217;s a national inadequacy.  At least Detroit made nearly a century long run at utilizing American resources to build their vehicles, supporting the defense of this country time &amp; again and strongly assisting in positioning the US as a global super power that has allowed you this free speach.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be re-examining your quick to dismiss sound bite attitude in a few years global citizen; sipping your Chinese Tea wearing your Asian made (not Oregon made) Nikes, driving your Toyota and sleeping on your money.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just cut to this, if more American&#8217;s had just a teaspon more national pride like our parents, grandparents (domestic or immigrant) had, this country would position for a much quicker turn around.</p>
<p>If Beaverton Nike didn&#8217;t sell out 25 years ago, no doubt Oregon County&#8217;s unemployment wouldn&#8217;t be 15%!  Is that the model Detroit should&#8217;ve innovated???  What a laugh.</p>
<p>Nike currently enjoys a 47% market share of the domestic footwear industry, with sales of $3.77 billion. Nike has been manufacturing throughout the Asian region for over twenty-five years, and there are over 500,000 people today directly engaged in the production of their products. They utilize an outsourcing strategy, using only subcontractors throughout the globe. The majority of their output today is produced in factories in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam,</p>
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		<title>By: zackbarnett</title>
		<link>http://zackbarnett.com/2009/04/25/seattle-what-detroit-might-have-been/#comment-53</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting thoughts... thanks for reading. I don&#039;t live in Seattle, and in fact I live in an Oregon county pushing 15 percent unemployment. Nobody&#039;s in good shape right now. That doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t start immediately applying lessons of the time. The difference between GM and Microsoft? MS isn&#039;t panhandling its way into corporate jets. Me? I just don&#039;t like seeing the government prop up an industry that lacks the ability -- or innovation -- to survive on its own. Face it, GM and Chrysler lacked the legs to run the race years ago. Now it&#039;s up to taxpayers to supercharge companies and save the day. What&#039;s next? Bailing out the NFL&#039;s lowly Lions? Again, I ask, &quot;The high speed train? Light rail cars? Mass transit?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts&#8230; thanks for reading. I don&#8217;t live in Seattle, and in fact I live in an Oregon county pushing 15 percent unemployment. Nobody&#8217;s in good shape right now. That doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t start immediately applying lessons of the time. The difference between GM and Microsoft? MS isn&#8217;t panhandling its way into corporate jets. Me? I just don&#8217;t like seeing the government prop up an industry that lacks the ability &#8212; or innovation &#8212; to survive on its own. Face it, GM and Chrysler lacked the legs to run the race years ago. Now it&#8217;s up to taxpayers to supercharge companies and save the day. What&#8217;s next? Bailing out the NFL&#8217;s lowly Lions? Again, I ask, &#8220;The high speed train? Light rail cars? Mass transit?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Oh_Really</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 02:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the pen, what the sword?  Such an aggressive strike from a Seattlite at Detroit in times of total domestic economic despair.  I hope you feel good about yourself, because I take no comfort in your blog.  Are you really so sure of Washington&#039;s financial and industrial dominance?   WaMu (no longer), Boeing (no longer HQ&#039;d in WA), Starbux 900 store closings....  

With only 8-2008 Fortune 500 companies headquarted in WA one might question your confidence Zack.  Michigan is home to nearly 3 times the amount of Fortune 500s.  An almost bankrupt 2008 GM produced 3 x&#039;s the revenue of the beloved MS AND paid state income tax that contributed to road and infrastructures far superior to Washington&#039;s.  Be cautious and respectful in your arrogance friend, I enjoy my Seattle community and hope arrogance such as yours doesn&#039;t breed wholesale ignorance and blind faith such as that experienced by the Romans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the pen, what the sword?  Such an aggressive strike from a Seattlite at Detroit in times of total domestic economic despair.  I hope you feel good about yourself, because I take no comfort in your blog.  Are you really so sure of Washington&#8217;s financial and industrial dominance?   WaMu (no longer), Boeing (no longer HQ&#8217;d in WA), Starbux 900 store closings&#8230;.  </p>
<p>With only 8-2008 Fortune 500 companies headquarted in WA one might question your confidence Zack.  Michigan is home to nearly 3 times the amount of Fortune 500s.  An almost bankrupt 2008 GM produced 3 x&#8217;s the revenue of the beloved MS AND paid state income tax that contributed to road and infrastructures far superior to Washington&#8217;s.  Be cautious and respectful in your arrogance friend, I enjoy my Seattle community and hope arrogance such as yours doesn&#8217;t breed wholesale ignorance and blind faith such as that experienced by the Romans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday morning link love &#171; Metro Detroit commentary</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Zack. I grew up in the Detroit area  and painfully aware of the shortsighted, stubborn arrogance of the Big Three (although fwiw I see Ford as the lesser of three evils).

While I&#039;m here, glad you&#039;re reading Fast Company! I love this magazine &amp; not only because my daughter, Kate (Bonamici) Flaim, writes for them. ;-)

Keep up the good work!

ARB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Zack. I grew up in the Detroit area  and painfully aware of the shortsighted, stubborn arrogance of the Big Three (although fwiw I see Ford as the lesser of three evils).</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m here, glad you&#8217;re reading Fast Company! I love this magazine &amp; not only because my daughter, Kate (Bonamici) Flaim, writes for them. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>ARB</p>
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